1991 Starting from the core
Chapter 117 Should I sell it or not?
After listening to Su Yuanshan's words, the living room fell into silence.
These four are experts in the semiconductor industry and are not familiar with the communications industry, but they are familiar with data. The speed is hundreds of Mb or Gb, which is a speed that even the latest PCI bus bandwidth, which was released just this year, cannot keep up.
Even the fastest optical fiber currently has a rate of less than 2Gb.
If it had been another person, the four of them would have told him that he was talking nonsense.
But it was Su Yuanshan who said it, and he was still doing it, which meant that Yuan Xin believed it.
This prediction means that Yuanxin can not only foresee the future wireless communication market, but also predict the development of chips and even the entire semiconductor industry.
Yuanxin's predictions and plans for the future far exceed the most optimistic estimates in the world, including those in the West.
(Note: Mr. Zhu Yiwei's "50 Years Review of the Integrated Circuit Industry" is very detailed. If you are interested, you can read it. In addition, there is Mr. Xie Zhifeng's "Core Matters". The former has more data, and the latter has many stories. There are others. Storytellers such as "Chip Road", "Chip Changes the World", etc. If you are interested, you can also take a look)
After silence, Zhao Kaidong suddenly smiled and said: "Xiao Su, you know the plan of the '85' plan for the semiconductor industry, right?"
Su Yuanshan nodded: "I've seen it. The main focus is to increase production capacity and expand independent production."
"Yes, the current domestic chip production capacity is still less than 1% of the world's total production capacity. If you tell me... it will make people laugh." Zhao Kaidong was in his early forties, with the unique temperament of a person with a technical background, he paused and continued Said: "You said before that lithography machines have entered the i-line era. In fact, we have always had technical reserves in the light source part. Even if deep ultraviolet laser light sources are needed now, we are capable of doing it."
"KBBF crystal?" Su Yuanshan asked with a smile.
Zhao Kaidong was slightly startled and looked at Su Yuanshan in surprise.
He didn't expect Su Yuanshan to have such a deep understanding of the laser field.
After Zhao Kaidong was silent for a few seconds, he smiled and said: "Yes. Although it is currently used in... strong lasers. But as long as there is demand, there is a way to use it in lithography machines."
Su Yuanshan nodded. He knew that KBBF, also known as potassium fluoroboroberyllate crystal, had only been synthesized two years ago. It is said that this thing was created by typical luck - it had pinched the neck of the United States for fifteen years.
Due to its emergence, domestic laser weapons made great strides forward. Later, after realizing that it was a key node of laser weapons, exports were banned.
Zhao Kaidong continued: "But the lithography machine cannot be powered by just one light source. The subsequent lens module is the key. And as the light source goes up, the precision of all components must also be upgraded... The design difficulty is also Rising geometrically.”
Su Yuanshan smiled and said: "That's why we are not considering deep ultraviolet for the time being. We will use UV i first. If we can complete the 0.5 micron process and the yield is acceptable, then we can put it into the market and it can be used for a long time. Then. If we skip KrF and go straight to ArF - will we be able to catch up? At least we won't be as desperate as we are now."
"As for the difficulty of design, our mechanical CAD will be online by the end of the year at the latest, and then the design will be easier."
Hearing Su Yuanshan talk about mechanical CAD, everyone's eyes lit up: "Can it be simulated?"
Su Yuanshan didn't know whether to laugh or cry: "...Uncles, we are the foundation of the electronics industry, and we have always had technical reserves in the field of electronics. In addition, with the current manufacturing process, the tunneling effect is not obvious yet, so we can complete the simulation function of the chip. But the mechanical aspect……"
"If you can provide relevant data and models, it can be done."
Now that he has decided to go deep into the field of mechanical CAD, he will definitely go all the way to the dark side. The simulation function will definitely be added.
But as he said, the Electrical Engineering Department has no foundation in this area at all. All data must be collected from users - but a lot of data is core, so how to implement it needs to be considered in detail later.
Su Yuanshan plans to leave this matter to Xi Xiaoding. He wants to develop mathematical software and laboratories, isn't that what he does?
"There is no problem with the data. We have been collecting it. Such as structure, frequency, vibration, stress, etc." At this time, Zheng Zhenchuan took over and agreed: "These data can be given to you, but some models have not been established yet, or It was established, but not verified.”
Su Yuanshan nodded: "Then you send a group of relevant experts upstairs, just ask Qu Hui directly."
"No problem." Zheng Zhenchuan nodded.
After enduring it, Zheng Zhenchuan glanced at the other three people and finally said: "But if this happens, the financial pressure will be great."
Su Yuanshan felt happy.
Finally, it comes to money.
But he didn't plan to talk about money today, so he smiled and said, "Would you make money if you sell this lithography machine? Uncle Zhou, do you Huajing buy it?"
Zhou Boguang chuckled: "I can't afford it. The production process can't be improved now, the yield rate can't be improved, and I'm losing money every day."
"Then buy Yuanxin. I told you a long time ago." Su Yuanshan also said with a smile.
Zheng Zhenchuan: "That's the problem. We don't plan to sell it."
Su Yuanshan raised his eyebrows!
Facing Su Yuanshan's surprise, Zheng Zhenchuan looked bitter: "The institute believes that this lithography machine is of great significance. At the same time, it can also be used as basic equipment for other research in the institute and as a reference for improving the manufacturing process... so we do not plan to sell it. .”
Su Yuanshan's eyebrows slowly flattened.
Cheng Guangsuo's thoughts... he could understand. After all, it is a prototype, and it has hard work and hard work.
But this lithography machine also has Su Yuanshan’s hard work.
After pondering for a few seconds, Su Yuanshan looked at Zheng Zhenchuan with a half-smile: "Uncle Zheng, since we don't sell it...then what about Yuanxin's achievements? This type of lithography machine obviously cannot be put on the market before sufficient manufacturing processes are achieved. . Even people like me who dare to bet don’t dare that it can achieve process yield, let alone have spare parts problems.”
The bitterness on Zheng Zhenchuan's face became more and more intense: "After the acceptance, the state will reward you."
"How much is the prize?"
"Probably..." Zheng Zhenchuan opened his mouth, but in the end he couldn't tell the number.
He is so familiar with Yuanxin, so he naturally knows that Yuanxin's investment in scientific research is unmatched by the country. Not to mention the systems, chips, circuit boards, and programs designed by Yuan Xin Bang Optoelectronics.
A company like Yuanxin with extremely strong monetization technology can't even design a few chips.
Seeing Zheng Zhenchuan stop talking for a moment, Su Yuanshan finally understood why the people who came with Zheng Zhenchuan had such high-level status, but Zheng Zhenchuan was the only person from Chengguang Institute.
In terms of specifications, Xie Kaiyun is on the same level as the deputy director of the Chengguang Institute. And Zheng Zhenchuan is not even the deputy director, he is just a director, a lower level.
Even if this group of people continues to engage in scientific research and not engage in officialdom, they still have to be led by a leader at the same level to visit Yuanxin.
The feeling is that the leader of the Institute of Optics and Mechanics is embarrassed to see him.
"Uncle Zheng, since the institute is short of money, don't sleep with the results anymore. According to the market price, this photolithography machine is worth 18 million, and Yuanxin's technical achievements are worth 5 million."
"You can keep these 13 million and convert them into funds - I remember that your overall investment in this photolithography machine is less than 10 million, right?"
When he heard that the price was 18 million, Zheng Zhenchuan's spirits perked up.
The other three were also a little surprised at the same time.
In fact, everyone has considered whether to sell it or not - mainly based on the current situation, there is a high probability that this lithography machine will not be sold at a high price.
Because it is a prototype that cannot be mass-produced, it can only be used for scientific research and achievement display.
Especially Yuanxin, they said they wanted to buy it at the beginning of the cooperation. In addition, Yuanxin made great efforts in the cooperation and helped a lot. It would be even harder to raise the price.
So simply, Chengguang Institute decided not to sell it, lest it be stabbed in the back when it couldn't be sold for a few bucks.
Anyway, just say it is a national project and do not support the sale.
But when they heard that Su Yuanshan directly quoted the price to foreign equipment with the same process, everyone felt that Su Yuanshan was a bit... that's something.
"Really thirteen million?" Zheng Zhenchuan repeated.
"Is there still a fake?" Su Yuanshan said with a smile: "Uncles, please hurry up and pass the inspection, then give it a hard blow, and then bring this lithography machine to the high-standard clean room of our science and technology park. "
"Then let's talk about cooperation. Is that okay?"
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